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Interview for Opus


I am sure that these boys must be getting a bit tired by now. They are about to take their passionate rockabilly back out on the road for their fourth tour of the eastern states this year already and something about them is telling me that they will back again. But, as if that wouldn't be enough to tire out all any regular person, they are also about to release their third EP. Despite the wonders of modern technology I managed to have a chat to the Living End's Scott Owen, who plays double bass.

You guys have been on the road a fair bit this year. Are you guys like gluttons for punishment?
We are at the moment. I'm sitting in the van at the moment on the way to Portland. We played Adelaide last night and.... yeah, we are on our way to Portland at the moment to start another of those east coast tours with Bodyjar. So yeah we are gluttons for punishment.

So when was the last time you had a break?
Well, we haven't done much for the last couple of months. We did a few gigs a couple of weeks ago, but before that we had a huge break, because we had a tour... well, to come up to Sydney but we had to blow out all the shows. Thats all we had planned so we've just done nothing except record.

Last year you got to support Greenday. What was that like?
Yeah, it was excellent. Was that last year? (voices from the van - "Last February.") Yeah it was pretty good.

I imagine it was a little different this year when you supported Blink 182?
That was another good one as well. They were mostly all ages gigs, so they were all full.... they were basically all sold out, they got stacks of people.

The Living End photo What's the rockabilly scene like down in Melbourne?
There isn't really one. Oh.... there is a bit. It started up, over about the last six months its started to fire up again. Theres a few more bands that have started touring and started playing together. Theres a couple of nights a week where you can go to see a couple of rockabilly bands play. But it seems to be coming back again, thats another thing. They used to have a big gig on Sundays, hopefully that will start happening again. But for the last couple of years theres just be nothing. But for some reason its seems to be starting up again.

"It's for your own good" spent six months in the charts. That must have surprised you a bit?
Yeah, I know that was a huge surprise. We didn't realise until it had been number 1 for about four weeks or something, and we just went "oh shit", it's unbelieveable. And it just stayed there.

Do you think Triple J had anything to do with it?
Oh yeah! Definately. It had everything to do with it, go the J's.

It was at this point that technology let us down and Scott's mobile cut out. However all was not in vain as Chris Cheney, the guitarist and lead singer, kindly provided the encore.

How did you score the "Live at the Wireless" set earlier this year?
Basically just through our publicist. We wanted to do one for ages and we used to like ring them and stuff. Eventually we sort of got through and just because of the success of 'From here on in', they just sort of went "yeah, cool" why not. That was pretty good fun.
It's not like everyone gets to do one.
No, thats right. We were pretty lucky actually to have that. Good exposure.
Well you got good exposure from Triple J anyway. They flogged 'From Here On In' to death.
Yeah, I know.... total overkill. It's good but it's a bit of a one hit wonder type thing. Now everyone expects us to play just that song now. I mean it's good but we have got other songs as well.
Yeah, it would have been good to get some of the other songs off the EP out there.
You also played Recovery a couple of months ago. What's it like having to get up at nine in the morning?

Not easy. It's a bit of tricky one but once your up, your up.

second solution I have just been having a listen to the new EP 'Second Solution'. Sounds pretty good, especially the lead track.
You like that one?
It's sort of a blend of like..... 'It's for your own good' had a higher tempo then 'Hellbound'. This ones just sort a blend of both of those so it sounds heaps good. 
Oh that's good. Thanks! I hope it's come across that way because the last EP came off sounding very sort of punky, you know. Everyone thought we were like this four piece band who were into the Offspring and stuff. Whereas 'Hellbound' was very sort of rockabilly, so, we just got to define that blend between our two favourite influences.

Certainly with the last one you started to draw comparisions with the Fireballs a fair bit. The first EP was more relaxed and it sounded more individual.
We get compared to them all time, it's a bit of a pain really. I mean we come from the same backgrounds but there just a lot more metal than we are. There a lot more into riffy type things, whereas were more into writing catchy songs I guess. More of a punk type influence.

Where did you guys write most of your songs?
I just wrote them really in my bedroom. Yeah, thats where they all come from.

Did you consider renaming 'Prisoner of Society' because of the similar title to 'Prisoner (on the inside)'?
No, I wrote 'Prisoner of Society' a little while ago now and then when we recorded them they came out really good. Then we thought lets try and make this almost like a concept EP thing, we wanted the whole type prisoner type theme. Someone just said "you should do a cover of the Prisoner theme" and we went no, no...... bit above our league, I don't think we're one for ballads. But we just had a bit of a muck around with it and it turned out good so we just recorded it.

The EP includes tracks from the 'Live at the Wireless' session. What was the motivation behind that?
For a couple of reasons. I think a lot of people who bought the last one wouldn't know about 'Hellbound', so its just a couple of songs off it that they wouldn't have heard. We kind of like the way those songs came out for the 'Live at the Wireless', pretty rough round the edges, but theres a lot of energy there. I just think it's good to put as much variety on an EP as possible so whats better than a couple of live songs.

Got any plans for an album?
Hopefully recording in December, and we'll have it out in January.

You guys were up here earlier this year to play some gigs with the Porkers. How was that?
Yeah they were good. It's good playing with Porkers because they get a mixed kind of crowd. Obviously they're like ska influenced band but they get just a diverse kind of crowd, it's really good. Thats what we're sort of after.
Certainly when you were up here with Blink 182 the punk crowd didn't take to you too well.
No, I don't think they know what too think really. I think it's because as I said 'From here on in'... everyone was sort of thought we were trying to be this big punk band or something, but we weren't really, it's just a bloody rockabilly band sort of playing fast. So I think when people get it and understand what were on about they will like it a bit more. Just for what we do and who we are.

The current "Nervous Wreckage" tour with Bodyjar. Is it true you are playing 20 shows in about 30 days?
Something like that. Yeah it's pretty full on. We haven't done a tour this big before, the most we have ever done is probably seven or eight gigs in a row. So this is our first sort of major tour type thing. I think it will be pretty hard, but it will be a good work out.

When you come to Newcastle on the 17th of September, your in support of Suicidal Tendencies. That seems like a bizzare match up.
Yeah, it does a bit. But our drummer is like, it's his favourite band, which is kind of weird. They're his all time favourite, and he thinks it will go really well because we've just really want to appeal to Suicidal Tendencies fans and everyone right across the board. And they're pretty diverse, so, it could work alright. We don't like playing with any particular style.

You were originally distributed by Shock but are now with MDS. How did they notice you?
They saw us at a Man or Astroman gig, ages ago, way before even 'Hellbound' or anything, they wanted to sign us then but we went with Shock. We spoke with MDS about the second one and they seemed the better option so we went with them on that one.

What are you plans for the rest of the year?
Just to record in December basically, and get it out in January. All we have to do is a lot of touring obviously and just do this recording.
Another full on tour?
I don't know. Maybe.... it would be good to do a headline of our own.

You play a lot of all ages shows. Do you prefer them to the pub gigs?
About the same really. The all ages are pretty good because they can get pretty crazy but then again so can the over 18 ones. There's no real differnece really. Whether you have got an underage crowd with no alcohol they still go off or an overage crowd with alcohol.

"Second Solution" was out on September 8 on Rapido thru MDS.

Marty

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The Chris Cheney interview with Jane Gazzo on Triple J's Super Request 12/2/98


Jane :....behind the celebrity mike welcome Chris from the Living End.

Chris :Yeah! How are you doing?

Jane :Good. How are you?

Chris :Good.

Jane :Have you been touring, playing around or resting of late?

Chris :No, we have been actually been recording. I have actually just come from the studio now, it's only like the fourth day and already we are pretty nackered, long days.

Jane :So is this an album or another EP?

Chris :Finally an album, a debut, about time.

Jane :Are these all fairly new songs or old songs that are finally getting recorded?

Chris :It's a bit of a mixed bag. There is probably about four or five newies and probably about another five that we play at the moment and about three or four old ones that we just haven't played, but we thought what the hell we will give them a go. I think they are turning out the best, the ones we thought we would throw away. It is always the way.

Jane :Congratulations on getting voted into Triple J's Hottest 100 with Prisoner of Society (#15 and From Here On In #49)

Chris :Thankyou. And thankyou to everyone who voted.

Jane :Are you sick of it yet?
Chris :I am. I still like it but it is pretty easy to get sick of your own songs. You sort of write it in your room and you rehearse it to death and then you finally record it....
Jane :..and low and behold Triple J picks it up and plays it lots.
Chris :Yeah, every morning.
Jane :It is a bit of an anthem though I must say.

Chris Cheney is in the middle (Scott Owen - left Travis Dempsey - right)
The Living End photo

Jane :This is the part of Super Request where the listeners write the questions for us because they ask the questions they want to hear, so lets start. The first couple of questions come from Tamaka Manel of Tormina Chris :We basically started, I think it was around 1991, I played guitar and Scott actually played piano at that time. I was a big rockabilly fan and said "I've gotta get a band together, get rid of the piano and learn the double bass" and he was like "what?!?". So I showed him all my old rockabilly records and we just started jamming the two of us. We had a couple of drummers at school who had a go but they were mainly into heavy metal and stuff, so that didn't last long. We met a guy straight after high school who was into that stuff and then a little while later we started writing our own tunes but we were a cover band for two years, called the Runaway Boys. We just used to play around places like the Royal Darby, just purely in that scene. We thought we don't want to do this for our whole career so we just started writing some songs and finally did a CD and three EPs later here we are.

Jane :And to think there could have been a piano in the Living End?

Chris :There could have been. There still might be actually on the new album. Scott was tinkering around the other day in the studio.

Jane :Tamaka asks when are you coming to Coffs Harbour?

Chris :We are doing a tour in March. I don't know the dates but I know we are definately going to be there in March at some stage. We are playing a big festival there actually.

Jane : and she wants to know, and i guess we have kind of covered this but not really. When is the new album coming out?

Chris :I don't know. We are just recording it at the moment and as I said then we go away. So hopefully April, late April. We want to get it out as soon as possible so we are going to work pretty hard and see what we can do.

Jane :It is always the way though isn't it. You record something then you have to mix it and the artwork.

Chris :That takes the longest, the mixing and the artwork then just actually recording the songs. So thats why we should probably have our artwork together now.

Jane :Onto Haley Wilkins from Melbourne and she has written a great letter here. She says I believe you went to Wheelers Hill Secondary College in Melbourne and in year twelve you played as the Runaway Boys in the canteen area. Did you really play in the canteen of your school?

Chris :We did. Both me and Scott went there and we used to play in the music room just sort of jamming, just mucking around. Then we did a couple of lunchtime things in the canteen. We went back there about two years ago and did a gig, which was pretty freaky playing in front of all the teachers we used to get in trouble with. Yes we have made something of our music, we weren't always just asleep at the back doing nothing. We used to get in lots of trouble, or at least I did, for just thinking about music all the time and not maths or whatever.

Jane :Did you have a quiff at the time?

Chris :Not sort of a real big one but I got my fair share of being called Elvis and 50's freak and all that stuff. As you do when you like something different to everyone else, all the footy jocks.

Jane :Did you get free pineapple donuts from the ladies at the tuckshop for playing in the canteen at lunchtime?

Chris :No, we didn't actually. We might have got one to share between us but free handouts really.

Jane :Haley also says that she goes to Wheelers Hill now and thinks it is a hole. Did you like it when you were there?

Chris :No, I didn't like it when I was there. It had its good parts but everyone who goes to school thinks it is a hole. Now that I have finished I look back on it and it was pretty cool. I don't miss it that much, don't worry.

Jane :No one misses school. But you look back on your school days sometimes and think they were some of the best days of my life. Who were your favourite band to tour with?

Chris :Probably Greenday was the first sort of big one and they were so friendly, made us feel really comfortable cause we were really nervous. It is good touring with some of the local bands, Bodyjar and whoever. No favourites, it's always different. Sometimes it is a bit of a drag. There have been certain bands which I wont name. It is kind of hard to talk with them sometimes but you have just got to get up there and do your own thing. Just play.

Jane :Why did you choose to do the Prisoner theme song? Such an Australian classic.

Chris :We wanted to have theme for the EP because we had Prisoner of Society and Second Solution was kind of an older song and then they are about escaping and all that stuff..

Jane :Rules and regulations too.

Chris :Yeah, all that punk stuff. I think we were just talking about it and someone from our record company said we should do a cover of the Prisoner theme for a joke, a b side. So we said, what the hell. So we looked it up on a TV's Greatest Hits and jammed it once at rehearsal and it turned out really well so we jsut recorded it.

Jane :These next questions come from Elise Rivet of Melbourne. She says, I have seen you live both at Pushover and supporting the Offspring. You went off both times but at Pushover you did the best cover of Tainted Love by Soft Sell. Are you going to put it on your album and why did you choose to cover that song?

Chris :I don't know whether we are going to put it on the album only because we have so many songs already. We are trying hard to get them down to a good amount. Everyone knows the original version by Soft Sell, it came out in like 1981 or something. It got covered by an alternative rockabilly guy from England called Dave Phillips who did a great version of it. We heard the original first but then we heard his and we thought, hey that's really cool we are going to have to do that, but it wasn't until two years later that we started playing it as the Runaway Boys. And that's just one of the songs we have kept playing as the Living End cause it has gone over so well. It just seems to work, maybe because it was such a soppy song at first, probably the same with Prisoner (on the inside), but we just kind of rock it up.

Jane :And everyone knows the words to it, it's like you grew up to that song.

Chris :It's amazing how many younger people know it because it is an old song, I guess it still gets a bit of airplay. It was huge at that time. Now eighteen years later everyone knows it.

Jane :A classic. She also asks are you going to release the song Strange as a single or put it on the album? She knows it is one of your old songs but it is one of your best.

Chris :Thankyou. It is on Hellbound our first CD. I don't think we are going to release it as a single, not on this album. I wouldn't mind, a few people have actually asked. It is a pretty populer song as well. I don't think it is a bad idea to rerecord a song maybe in the future like that because it was done a long time ago and we have made a few changes to it and put a bit more life into it now.

Jane :She asks... Can I be in your next film clip and say a line like on the Prisoner of Society film clip? I know all the words to your songs and I am not ugly or camera shy.

Chris :If you see us advertising for people for our next film clip please apply then.

Jane :But your Prisoner of Society one is quite interesting set in a school classroom. Is it set in a school classroom?

Chris :I shouldn't give away secrets should I. No, its at Revolver, just in the night club upstairs. Oh, that's cool because we were thinking about that. But we thought that there a few bands who had doen the whole classroom scene so we thought we would just do it upstairs at Revolver. I guess it does a little bit.

Jane :And you just got a whole heap of kids together.

Chris :Yeah, we just advertised in a couple of the music mags and they turned up. Jumped around.

Jane :Not much of the band in it.

Chris :Well, we sort of had that idea that it would be just us playing at the end, that we would sort of be incognito for the rest of it, cause we are in disguise and whatever. And when we watched it, it's kind of like were we in it? Then you watch it a second time and yes we are in it.

Jane :Emma Ramsay - do you have a favourite gig or rock moment that has stood out in your memory?

Chris :Many, too many. But probably more recently when we played the Falls festival this year was pretty good. We had a really good reaction and right at the end Trav was just sort of going crazy on the drum kit and knocked one of his teeth out. In his rage he picked up the cymbal stand and threw it halfway across the stage. It was just madness. That sticks in my memory most at the moment, he would have been in a bit of pain.

Hellbound and Loving It


The face of modern music changes so rapidly these days. It seems that every year there's the new taste, the new big sound. Most of these are recycled in one way or another, from Britpop to grunge to the new punk revival. These new trends have brought with them a truck load of bandwagon jumpers, all doing 'their own thing' which sounds just like everyone else's 'own thing'. In a time of music which is same-ish enter the Living End. Their roots and influences are obvious, but the sound is something different. L.B. Beringham spoke with Living End guitarist/vocalist Chris Cheney about the imminent launch of their debut CD Hellbound.

The Living End are best described as a rockabilly band, at times boardering on punk and at others on psychobilly. The music is more than reminiscent of the great days of the Stray Cats and the enigmatic tones of the Reverend Horton Heat. This is a band that will not, can not, avoid comparisions. When I first saw them they were commanding a huge audience as a support act for Green Day. At that time I thought the band embodied a combination of that fifties rockabilly style with a seventies punk mentality and nineties music mentality. As a CD, Hellbound maintains that kind of definition rather well.

"I've been into the 50's rock and roll since year seven," says Cheney. "And from there we just got into rockabilly and that was cool but we wanted to do something a little bit different with it. My parents had records around the house and it just went from there," he adds. But sitting around the house jamming just wasn't ever going to be enough for this band, and although they had been playing around the local traps, they were eager for that big break. They decided to send their tape to Green Day's management on the eve of their Australian tour and what ensued was like a dream come true for the band.

"We just sent a bio to a couple of promoters," Cheney explains. "And then we sent one to America to Green Day's mailing address. When we met them (Green Day), Billy was saying that he got a tape from their manager and he really liked us because we ddn't sound like NoFX or the Offspring, because we were something different." So the Living End joined Green Day on a national tour, showing their wares to huge crowds of enthusiastic kids, and doing it like consumate professionals. "I've never been so nervous in my life," says Cheney. "We felt sick before we went on and we thought they'd be die-hard Green Day fans that would eat us alive. But we didn't want to show that we were scared because we thought that if we did that they'd just start chanting Green Day," he says.

The Living End showed no fear with those shows and won themselves a very neat following to boot. Now the Green Day tour is finished and the Living End have returned to the venues that have been their home since their inception. It's time for them to continue with their own shows and in fact to launch their debut CD which is out now through Shock Records. Hellbound is an eight track rockabilly feast with a comfortable familiarity about it that makes it equally accessible to inner city and the suburban audiences. "I guess I just think it's relevant because it's what we are into," says Cheney. "We notice that we play to wide audiences and that the majority of genres seem to get into it. We're not purely influenced by rockabilly. We've been into English punk for quite a while, like the Clash and Sex Pistols."

But in spite of their obvious influences, the Living End are neither punk nor rockabilly in their purest forms. They are a hybrid, a bastardisation of timeless style which serves them well. Live they are an awesome force with upright bass, upright drumming and upright hair. The stage personas of these three leaves you thinking they must have had years of experience and yet they are only realtvely new to the music scene. Whatever your prefernce in music, you'll find something that satisfies you when you see the Living End.

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